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August 22, 2007

So, I saw the increasingly isolated Bushleaguer on the nightly news, saying that we can't leave Iraq because then it would be like Vietnam.

It's not like Vietnam now, you understand. We didn't charge in there uninvited and start slaughtering people right and left with no clear idea of what we were dealing with and no rational plan for how wholesale killing was going to make things better.

No, it's only going to be like Vietnam if we send in helicopters * and airlift out the last Americans on the ground (roof).

And, you know, from his story, things were just peachy in Vietnam before we left. Sunshine and roses, in fact.

From what I'm reading, Bush seems to be preferring a Korean War analogy. (You know. Korea. It was one country and we went in and killed people for four years or more and then it was two countries.) (But don't run away with the idea that Korea--I mean North Korea and South Korea are anything like Vietnam--I mean North Vietnam and South Vietnam.)

I hate people who cite the Korean War as a major victory for the USofA. Josh, over at Talking Points Memo covers one of my reasons.

And also. You know. Bottom line. We didn't "win" in Korea. We achieved a stalemate that may, I'm no expert, have been better for people and the world than a united Korea (even gasp! a Communist one) might have been. But we didn't "win" that war.

And, while I'm bitching and moaning, let's hear it for our elected and highly placed officials who have discovered what even an international affairs nitwit like myself knew five years ago. U.S. officials rethink hopes for Iraq democracy

You don't say?

Nightmarish political realities in Baghdad are prompting American officials to curb their vision for democracy in Iraq. Instead, the officials now say they are willing to settle for a government that functions and can bring security.

"a government that functions"

I'm thinking they had that before we stepped in.

You know. That Hussein guy. The one we handed the country over to and, no, I'm not saying he was a jewel in the crown of the Middle East, but tell me we didn't storm their borders, invade their country, and slaughter tens of thousands of Iraqi people to leave them with "functional"?

Also, over at the Washington Note, Steve is quoting people who know what I'm talking about.

While you're telling me things, tell me how the current crop of incompetent White House inhabitants and Congressional failures are going to come up with any kind of plan better than what we have now--which consists largely of wearing ever-larger blinders (if you're on the Right) and hand-wringing (if you're on the left).


* I see from the news that another Blackhawk crashed, killing all 14 soldiers on board and am I the only one wondering if a few enemy attacks are being disguised as inexplicable "crashes"?

Posted by AnneZook at 05:46 PM


A couple of times "crashes" have later been revealed "on further investigation" to have been hostile fire results, but the investigations never get the press that the crashes do, of course.

Korea. It was one country and we went in and killed people for four years or more and then it was two countries.

Actually, it was a colony of Japan, and after the war was divided into zones of occupation, like Germany. As with Germany, the Soviets refused to countenance unification under a non-communist regime, both zones staged elections and two countries were, functionally, born. Then the North decided to conquer the south.... Functionally, China would no more have permitted reunification under southern control (nor will they now) than the Soviet Union would permit German reunification under Western control.

Posted by: Ahistoricality at August 22, 2007 08:28 PM

I love having a historian reading my blog. :) You're so educational.

Now that you remind me, I do remember hearing an abbreviated version of this in grade school "social studies" classes. Thanks for the reminder.

Posted by: Anne at August 22, 2007 10:20 PM

Great post. Hope the job search is going better than last month.

Posted by: Marcus at August 23, 2007 07:02 PM

It is, Marcus, thanks. I have hopes of receiving an offer soon.

So much so, in fact, that I'm now cramming in all of the "leisure" activities that I haven't gotten around to enjoying yet this summer. :)

Posted by: Anne at August 23, 2007 09:27 PM